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<sup><u>Bob Geier</u></sup>
<sup><u>Bob Geier</u></sup>


I think the notion of Boy Scouts being taught to "stay put" when lost is inane and dangerous.  That's fine for 1st graders in a shopping mall, but not for scout-aged youth in the woods.
I think the notion of (Boy) [[Scout]]s being taught to "stay put" when lost is inane and dangerous.  That's fine for 1st graders in a shopping mall, but not for scout-aged youth in the woods.


I expect that any of us who have been involved in backcountry S&R operations can relate exactly how difficult it is to find someone who is immobile in the woods.  The mostly likely way they'll be found in many areas is next hunting season when someone blunders across the corpse.
I expect that any of us who have been involved in backcountry S&R operations can relate exactly how difficult it is to find someone who is immobile in the woods.  The mostly likely way they'll be found in many areas is next hunting season when someone blunders across the corpse.
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Remember that you almost always will have gone less far than you think, humans overestimate speed.  Recalibrate.  Consider backtracking.  Move to a point where you can actually see something, don't stop and observe where there's nothing to observe.  In hilly or mountainous areas, hike to higher ground where you can see more.  In lake country follow a valley or river to the next lake.
Remember that you almost always will have gone less far than you think, humans overestimate speed.  Recalibrate.  Consider backtracking.  Move to a point where you can actually see something, don't stop and observe where there's nothing to observe.  In hilly or mountainous areas, hike to higher ground where you can see more.  In lake country follow a valley or river to the next lake.


The final option is always to head toward the nearest boundary.  A boundary is something large, unmissable, and unmistakable.  It could be a river, a good trail, a large lake, or a road.  Find the nearest one and shoot compass or solar vectors straight there.  Once you hit the boundary, you now know where you are, though you might be out of your way.  (You'll also have put yourself into searchers' paths - see below).
The final option is always to head toward the nearest boundary.  A boundary is something large, unmissable, and unmistakable.  It could be a river, a good trail, a large lake, or a road.  Find the nearest one and shoot [[compass]] or solar vectors straight there.  Once you hit the boundary, you now know where you are, though you might be out of your way.  (You'll also have put yourself into searchers' paths - see below).


'''AFTER A SEARCH IS IN PLAY'''
'''AFTER A SEARCH IS IN PLAY'''
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So if you're well past your freak time, you have to take into account the likely actions of the searchers, and if possible get to and stay in high "probability of detection" spots.  A good first option is at least get yourself to a trail and then sit there if you must and someone will eventually run into you.  But of course, if you get to a trail, you might be better off taking it in the most likely direction to a junction where your chances go up more.  But then if you're at a junction, you'll probably be able to figure out where you are and head out.  If there's good weather and you hear a plane buzzing around, get to an open field and signal the plane.
So if you're well past your freak time, you have to take into account the likely actions of the searchers, and if possible get to and stay in high "probability of detection" spots.  A good first option is at least get yourself to a trail and then sit there if you must and someone will eventually run into you.  But of course, if you get to a trail, you might be better off taking it in the most likely direction to a junction where your chances go up more.  But then if you're at a junction, you'll probably be able to figure out where you are and head out.  If there's good weather and you hear a plane buzzing around, get to an open field and signal the plane.


It's true, at some point a grid search will start on the assumption that you're off trail and incapacitated.  Except for a small area close to last known location, this isn't going to get serious until day 2 or 3.  It takes a huge human resource commitment to grid search a relatively small area.  If you're in the more remote backcountry, it just isn't going to be done except by air (and then it will be done multiple times, so there's no strong concern about movement).  Even if you're in a smaller state park, this kind of job is daunting.  Yes, it's true with a ground grid search that if you move into an already-searched area from an unsearched one (without running into anyone) and then stop, you won't be found.  But your chances of being found have gone pretty low at that point anyway.  The benefits from any _intelligent_ planned movement are still likely to outweigh the risk.  Most folks who are "found" during grid searches walk out on their own to the trailhead.
It's true, at some point a grid search will start on the assumption that you're off trail and incapacitated.  Except for a small area close to last known location, this isn't going to get serious until day 2 or 3.  It takes a huge human resource commitment to grid search a relatively small area.  If you're in the more remote backcountry, it just isn't going to be done except by air (and then it will be done multiple times, so there's no strong concern about movement).  Even if you're in a smaller state park, this kind of job is daunting.  Yes, it's true with a ground grid search that if you move into an already-searched area from an unsearched one (without running into anyone) and then stop, you won't be found.  But your chances of being found have gone pretty low at that point anyway.  The benefits from any "intelligent" planned movement are still likely to outweigh the risk.  Most folks who are "found" during grid searches walk out on their own to the trailhead.


'''OTHER ISSUES'''
'''OTHER ISSUES'''
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Articles that say to reason your way out and back track, do not seem to recommend you move more than an hour from where you realize you were lost, if you can get up on a ridge, in an open area if possible, use your whistle, fire, mirror or other signalling devise...
Articles that say to reason your way out and back track, do not seem to recommend you move more than an hour from where you realize you were lost, if you can get up on a ridge, in an open area if possible, use your whistle, fire, mirror or other signalling devise...
=== <small>Dr. Jack Berdeaux</small> ===
=== <small>Dr. Jack Berdeaux</small> ===
SAR officals tell hiking groups, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Parents, and anyone that can listen:
SAR officals tell hiking groups, [[Boy Scout]]s, [[Girl Guide and Girl Scout|Girl Scouts]], Parents, and anyone that can listen:
1. Do not move once you realized you are lost. HUG-A-TREE Program is what we teach kids.
1. Do not move once you realized you are lost. HUG-A-TREE Program is what we teach kids.
2. Do not separate
2. Do not separate
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