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I tried to improve all that a bit, and to make it more similar to a ScoutWiki main page than to one of a small wiki with no users for BSA who wants to read some technical advice ... That's not yet good for use. I think we should drop the idea of all the page in a single table, and maybe stop having sooo much templates on it ... The goal is to make that page looking home-like and ready to direct you to loads of pages on very different topics. User:Akela - yaw yaoooo ! 18:17, 21 March 2007 (CET)


So who are the main admins around here ? Or if not admins, at least the active users... Ericblazek 22:00, 27 November 2007 (EET)


Can those admins provide some direction on what material they would like to see added to the wiki ?

  • "Scouting in [each state]" copied over from Wikipedia - There is quite a bit of information on each, would they be better if they were broken up into one page per council ?
  • Badges and requirement like http://www.usscouts.com/ ?
  • Ideas for projects and crafts
  • More images!!!

Ericblazek 22:00, 27 November 2007 (EET)


Hello Ericblazek and welcome on the scoutwiki in english. In fact, we need more english-speaking user on this wiki. The admins are French or Finnish, there is me, and Akela NDE, Cedsib and User:Kontti who lead the international Scoutwiki Network. So you can ask something to us if you want and we try to answer you quickly. You have good ideas, here is a wiki, so each initiative is welcome, we don't have to give a direction, we just edited the main page using the example of the french scoutwiki.

So let's go and don't hesitate to ask us some help.

I think you can try to advertise Scoutwiki on the english-speaking scout forums (fora) in the Net, we need American, British, ... scoutleaders to improve Scoutwiki. So good luck !!

Florian 19:36, 3 December 2007 (EET)

So there's no direction at all? Blast 19:05, 29 January 2008 (EET)

Links here and elsewhere (including "Recent changes) to ScoutWiki:Community Portal are redlinks because the article is called Project:Community Portal. How to fix? Change the links or change the title of the Community Portal? --Bduke 01:38, 31 December 2007 (EET)

May I suggest something...

A list of Scout Groups. Yes, I said it. I think one needs to be put down somewhere. We can have little funky "Add your Group" buttons. Users come on and just put their group in. It could be organised by country, district and number. It would work, trust me. J.Davison 20:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to say : it's probably a good idea. The same system exists and works on the ScoutWikis in Finnish, French and Italian, why not having it on the English one ? It's a good way to have user coming, but it requires lots of attention from the admins and regular users (people are usually not very well at ease with wiki). To work well, this kind of stuff can do with an infobox and a preloaded text, and, in fact, a funky "Add your group" button. Feel free to ask for advice, help, or whatever you'd like to ask (I designed the French system). Have fun :-) scoutly yours Akela - yaw yaoooo ! 21:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'll get thinking of a good way for it to work and I'll get on with it. J.Davison 12:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Aha, here's a start. It would be pages for different countries who then have alphabetised lists by District or County, adjusted for the country it's for. I'll start with List of Scout Groups (UK) and the Hampshire county since that's where I'm most familiar with. J.Davison 12:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey all,
How about, we have:
A pseudo-namespace of Groups: (unless Akela could set us up with a proper one!) where we have about, a make your group box etc. THis then links to Groups:UK, Groups:USA etc, which in turn link to each individual group, for example Group:2nd Ashbourne, Group:18th Edmonton, and along the way we could also put in Districts.
It would look like this:
  • Home
    • COuntry List a)
      • Districts
        • Groups
    • Other country
What do you think? If so, ill get the homepage sorted!
A namespace would also make categorisation easier!
Thanks,
BG7 12:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Even better! Let's get started! If List of Scout Groups (UK) could get deleted it would be a bit cleaner. J.Davison 13:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
A specific namespace ? Are you sure ? If it's just for sorting it's possible to sort it with a {{{name}}} parameter in the group infobox, which you would use as a categorization key, with somethink like [[category:groupe from {{{country}}}|{{{name}}}]]. On FR we use parameter {{{town}}} to categorize groups in categories per region. It is also possible to use the {{defaultsort:XXX}} special template. Have a look here and there to have more information about the many possibilities MediaWiki gives us. Akela - yaw yaoooo ! 14:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Cool. It's done. Note the infobox from the preload doesn't work yet - i'm fixing it!
Yes - that way we can have groups searchable and better organised. They can be catted to, but it just differentiates from the normal content to actual groups - I could see many things opening from this for specific groups. BG7 15:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the system is good to go - visit Groups:Home to get started! It still needs some refining, and I would appreciate comments at Groups:Feedback. I will continue to improve over the next few days! BG7 16:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Fantastic! I'll get on with those buttons ;) Does anyone have an .svg fleur de lis? It would be a bit easier than the huge on they have on Scoutbase. J.Davison 19:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

reset Theres probably one on ScoutMedia, and if so it works like Wikimedia Commons, so no need to upload it here! If you need help with the system, let me know - a lot is protected as it's fairly complicated!

Thanks,

BG7 19:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Found one! I'll get on with those buttons, then we can really get the Database out there. J.Davison 19:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Here's the first! It's very simple but it should work, I'll let some better skilled Photoshoppers/GIMPers get some new ones in. It's Open Source, of course:
Button1.png
I'm affraid this image is not OpenSource, as it is WOSM's logo plus a bit of text … Then it's violating the WOSM's copyright. There are also lots of scout groups that are not WOSM, think to WAGGGS-only groups and groups members of other organizations such as WFIS or UIGSE.
Concerning the namespace, what's the difference between a group page and an other page ? If you create a group: namespace, then you should create a knot: namespace, a person: namespace, etc … Moreover, it's complicating search (group: ns wouldn't be included in the default search) and group pages wouldn't be counted in the number of articles. Namespaces are useful only for pages which are not articles.
BTW : template:imagelink has been fixed Face-wink.svg Akela - yaw yaoooo ! 13:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... i'll work on another - I was gonna revamp it a bit on Photoshop anyhoo.
Namespaces: It is possible to put it in the default search - there's a MW hack - but I suppose you're right. How we have it now using a psuedo-namespace is working fine. While were on the subject though, can we PLEASE have Project: removed, as it's screwing up the MediaWiki software, and change it to Workforce:. Please?
Thanks,
BG7 14:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Wahey we have new Groups in ;) Glad to see the button on the front page!
Akela, I thought the Arrowpoint was unprotected? Hey, do I get sysop for my brilliant idea? ;) J.Davison 16:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

reset Here's a userbox for those enthusiastic about the DB!

S/G DB This user maintains the Scout/Guide Group Database on ScoutWiki!
J.Davison 17:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Love it! I'll get documenting the rest of our Userboxen! I think the Fleur de Lys itself isn't protected, which is the "arrow" you refer to, but the badge may well be. It should however not really be copyrighted, as it's using generic things - a Trademark however it may be! I'll dig some more.
Sysopship? I have no idea. Certainly a barnstar once I get one made! BG7 12:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Ahhh so that's how you spell Fleur de Lys... J.Davison 15:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Digg it! J.Davison 15:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Good idea to digg it, Joe Face-smile.svg.
Concerning the WOSM fleur de lys (that's French for "lily flower"), I'm afraid it is definitely under copyright of the WOSM and the WOSM doesn't want it to be used on stuff that's not related to it. On French ScoutWiki we used it as a logo for our scouting organizations' portal, and we were asked to remove it.
You will be pleased, I hope, to know that I improved the Necker Generator (now called "NeckGen"), a big bug has been removed, the interface has been slightly improved (it's now OK with IE!), and the import on ScoutMedia is now automatic so you just have to press the button and copy-paste the name to display the necker. The url has been changed, too : now it is http://www.scoutwiki.org/neckgen . (I will place a redirection on the former url, but still).
Have fun and tell me if you have problems with NeckGen. Akela - yaw yaoooo ! 23:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Ah and oh, yes, namespace Project has been changed to Workforce as requested. Akela - yaw yaoooo ! 00:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey Akela.
No problems at all - could you possibly add to it though, under stripe, a double stripe? As in my groups knecker? It's black background, with a red and white double stripe. Thanks, BG7 12:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Oh and DUGG! (And del.icio.us. later)
@Akela, I think we all need to abandon IE support for everything so everyone uses Firefox. Also, there's quite a bad bug in NeckGen, I keep the default necker, but click Bordered then click back to Default, the boxes used in Bordered will still be there. By click each necker type you can have all of the boxes. Need a hideDiv() in there or whatever it is (I haven't used JS for a while) J.Davison 14:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


Ugly frontpage

Current main page is terrible! I suppose it is meant for an active wiki but because this is not - it makes this site look like "forever under construction". I made an option Main_Page/Sandbox which is much simplified and hopefully attracs more users. Can somebody switch it to official main page? Paula 17:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree! I have put your suggestion on the camp fire site, and on two user pages of people from who I think have access to the front page. Sietske 08:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
[2] these people have access to the front page. --Egel 09:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)